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	<title>Comments on: Women in Leadership pt 2.</title>
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		<title>By: dawn</title>
		<link>http://divinegraffiti.com/2007/11/25/women-in-leadership-pt-2/#comment-1734</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leon,

Since you did not include a :-), I am assuming you are seriously asking me if I think we we as humans created gender.  Of course not!  But we have chosen to divide ourselves down gender lines in ways that, I am seeing more and more, are not healthy and perhaps not according to God&#039;s perfect will for His creation.  

For years I stood on the claim that men and women were created equal but fulfill different roles.  I still say that when it comes to some roles, however, in other cases I think that we allow our cultural lenses to dictate guidelines that divide us and limit us in ways that perhaps God does not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon,</p>
<p>Since you did not include a <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> , I am assuming you are seriously asking me if I think we we as humans created gender.  Of course not!  But we have chosen to divide ourselves down gender lines in ways that, I am seeing more and more, are not healthy and perhaps not according to God&#8217;s perfect will for His creation.  </p>
<p>For years I stood on the claim that men and women were created equal but fulfill different roles.  I still say that when it comes to some roles, however, in other cases I think that we allow our cultural lenses to dictate guidelines that divide us and limit us in ways that perhaps God does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an link to an interesting previous discussion on the Ordination of Women from some Lancaster District leaders:

http://lancastertheoblogy.wordpress.com/2007/04/03/lancastertheoblogy/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an link to an interesting previous discussion on the Ordination of Women from some Lancaster District leaders:</p>
<p><a href="http://lancastertheoblogy.wordpress.com/2007/04/03/lancastertheoblogy/" rel="nofollow">http://lancastertheoblogy.wordpress.com/2007/04/03/lancastertheoblogy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a male may jump into this frying pan, I&#039;ll give a jump.

Dawn said, &quot;I am much more open to seeing the ways that God wants to bring reconciliation to the divisiveness we have created as humans. Gender is one of those areas.&quot;

Please clarify. Did you mean that we created gender or divisiveness? The answer to that question makes a lot of difference to any comments I might make.

Peace,

Leon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a male may jump into this frying pan, I&#8217;ll give a jump.</p>
<p>Dawn said, &#8220;I am much more open to seeing the ways that God wants to bring reconciliation to the divisiveness we have created as humans. Gender is one of those areas.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please clarify. Did you mean that we created gender or divisiveness? The answer to that question makes a lot of difference to any comments I might make.</p>
<p>Peace,</p>
<p>Leon</p>
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		<title>By: dawn</title>
		<link>http://divinegraffiti.com/2007/11/25/women-in-leadership-pt-2/#comment-1717</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow! Audrey!  Thank you for your questions and thought provoking observations.  

Your distinction between leading and having authority is very helpful.  That is truly a huge difference and one that I have observed in our church.  I think you are right, there are people in the congregation who might not mind women &quot;in leadership&quot; or even preaching, but I doubt they would truly &quot;trust&quot; a women in authority or making decisions.  And lucky for those at Sunnyside who oppose women in &quot;authority,&quot; I don&#039;t think we have any women who are demanding authority in our church . . . a little more pro-activity and/or organization wouldn&#039;t hurt . . . sometimes I feel like &quot;demanding&quot; that :-)  But I am certain that any influence the woman in leadership at Sunnyside have is held with much humility.

I say that because over the years as I journeyed through this issue I had been turned off by women in various churches (even in the Mennonite Church) who I felt came across just a bit too pompous about their accomplishments in attaining their leadership positions.    I have questioned most of my life whether women should have spiritual authority over men.  I still do to a certain extent; the question of headship still spins in my mind.  However, since reflecting more on the various ways to interpret verses in the Bible, I am not sure my longstanding interpretations have been appropriate.  I am much more open to seeing the ways that God wants to bring reconciliation to the divisiveness we have created as humans.  Gender is one of those areas.  

I could go on, but I better get off the computer -- I need to finish grading some papers for tomorrow and instead I&#039;m enjoying your conversation.  Keep sharing your thoughts!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Audrey!  Thank you for your questions and thought provoking observations.  </p>
<p>Your distinction between leading and having authority is very helpful.  That is truly a huge difference and one that I have observed in our church.  I think you are right, there are people in the congregation who might not mind women &#8220;in leadership&#8221; or even preaching, but I doubt they would truly &#8220;trust&#8221; a women in authority or making decisions.  And lucky for those at Sunnyside who oppose women in &#8220;authority,&#8221; I don&#8217;t think we have any women who are demanding authority in our church . . . a little more pro-activity and/or organization wouldn&#8217;t hurt . . . sometimes I feel like &#8220;demanding&#8221; that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   But I am certain that any influence the woman in leadership at Sunnyside have is held with much humility.</p>
<p>I say that because over the years as I journeyed through this issue I had been turned off by women in various churches (even in the Mennonite Church) who I felt came across just a bit too pompous about their accomplishments in attaining their leadership positions.    I have questioned most of my life whether women should have spiritual authority over men.  I still do to a certain extent; the question of headship still spins in my mind.  However, since reflecting more on the various ways to interpret verses in the Bible, I am not sure my longstanding interpretations have been appropriate.  I am much more open to seeing the ways that God wants to bring reconciliation to the divisiveness we have created as humans.  Gender is one of those areas.  </p>
<p>I could go on, but I better get off the computer &#8212; I need to finish grading some papers for tomorrow and instead I&#8217;m enjoying your conversation.  Keep sharing your thoughts!</p>
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